On March 31, 2017, Suidlanders representative Simon Roche continued his white supremacist circuit tour with an appearance on Henrik Palmgren’s Red Ice TV. In response to Palmgren asking for a “basic rundown” of what South Africa is like for “white European descendants,” Roche seemed to imply that things had gone somewhat downhill since the fall of apartheid.

According to Roche, South Africa has seen “23 years of democracy” during which time “the crime rate has skyrocketed.” Roche provides no citation for his claim, but the belief that apartheid South Africa was somehow a safer country has been addressed by the non-partisan fact-checking organization Africa Check. Not only did Africa Check debunk the claim that the level of violent crime has been on the rise since 1994 in South Africa, it noted that it has actually returned to levels not seen since the 1970s.

A separate claim made by Roche is that it’s deadlier to be a white farmer in South Africa than it is to be a police officer. “Now that, to most people, is incredible, it’s a statistic that you almost don’t expect people to believe because it’s not believable,” he admitted, adding that “it’s a fact that the murder of white farmers in South Africa is double the rate of murder of policemen.” Again, there is no citation for this “fact,” so Roche is partially correct: it is literally not believable.

Palmgren: Just give us the most basic rundown that you possibly can of what the situation is like right now in South Africa for the white European descendants that are living there.

Roche: Very briefly, South Africa held universal elections for the first time on the 27th of April, 1994. So we’ve had 23 years of democracy. During that period the crime rate has skyrocketed in South Africa.

We are sometimes referred to as the “rape capitol of the world.” Our murder rate is astonishingly high. And particularly the rape and murder of white people on farms — that is to say farmers — is beyond most people’s comprehension.

To illustrate the point for you, South Africa is a violent society, so it’s to be expected that South African policemen, that they’re attacked often and they die often. The rate of murder of South African policemen is among the very highest in the whole world. But, it is just more than twice as dangerous to be a South African farmer.

Now that, to most people, is incredible, it’s a statistic that you almost don’t expect people to believe because it’s not believable. But it’s a fact that the murder of white farmers in South Africa is double the rate of murder of policemen. Which indicates for you how severe things are on a crime level.

Coupled with that, the state has deteriorated drastically. We have a government and a state apparatus that is saturated with incompetence and unwillingness, if you like, with the result that the country’s crumbling — as you can see from the images that you’re showing on the screen from our website, and there are many more like them of different incidents in different places.

And it’s now reached the point where there is a crescendo of calls from the populist demagogues in South Africa for the expropriation without compensation of all white property.

Palmgren called it “absolutely amazing” that the mainstream media is “looking the other way” while whites are supposedly being killed en masse, and asked Roche what he believes is driving news outlets to bury stories of black-on-white violence. Roche replied that in “the liberal environment” there is a “mentality of payback,” while the media as a whole is probably afraid to look foolish.

“You know, bear in mind Henrik, that they rammed the propaganda of the new South African rainbow nation down the throats of the whole world for decades,” said Roche. “And they’re gonna look like fools if they turn out to be 100% wrong.”

While he maintained that he wasn’t making excuses for apartheid, he remained sharply critical of Nelson Mandela. Roche stated that “two of [Mandela’s] close friends” “confessed” that he “remained a member of the South African Communist Party Central Committee clandestinely up until his death” in 2013. Roche insisted that while everyone believed Mandela was a God-fearing man who attended church, in reality he “believed something completely different.”

Palmgren: So it’s absolutely amazing that they’re looking the other way on this. And obviously this is, I think is done for various reasons. I think one level is virtue signalling. Again, I think because of the intense pressure of information and propaganda surrounding apartheid, they feel that this is such a hot potato, probably, that they don’t want to touch it. They can’t to a certain extent.

I really don’t know. But as you said, I wouldn’t dismiss this aspect that they might actually do it —

Roche: Yes.

Palmgren: — because somehow they see that it’s, I don’t know, payback or something? I mean, I don’t know. What do you think is driving that? Why would they do this?

Roche: I think that in the liberal environment there is a mentality of payback, certainly. I think that in the media environment, they’re going to look like massive fools. You know, bear in mind Henrik, that they rammed the propaganda of the new South African rainbow nation down the throats of the whole world for decades. And they’re gonna look like fools if they turn out to be 100% wrong.

Now, I’m not suggesting that apartheid was a good thing. I wouldn’t have liked to have been a second-class citizen under apartheid. And I’m not suggesting for a second that the world should begin to view apartheid, for good and for worse, as a wonderful thing. That’s not the angle here.

However, after everything that they told you, me, and everybody else about Nelson Mandela — what a dear, sweet man, such a lovely smile — and the African National Congress, and so on; for them to publicize, for example, Nelson Mandela after his death, two of his close friends and senior leaders confessed that Nelson Mandela had remained a member of the South African Communist Party Central Committee clandestinely up until his death. Now nobody knew that. You know when he was going to church and pretending to be one of those guys — and “I believe in God” and “love your neighbor” and all of this kind of stuff — actually, he believed something completely different. And so that kind of exposé didn’t see the light of day.

And I think that the international media’s terrified of being made to look like idiots by a situation in South Africa where we have a president who’s had 7 wives — 7, not the four or five reported. And if you’re interested I can explain to you how it is 7. We have a situation in which we have 3.2 million taxpayers paying social grants in effect for 16.3 million people.

So the economy is going to pieces. Unemployment has reached almost 40%. Again it’s a statistic that we don’t expect people to believe because it’s unbelievable. But we’ll tell you what is the truth and people can verify for themselves and see that generally the statistics we quote are conservative. If we err on the side of caution and conservatism all the time, it helps us not to get into trouble. But they’ll see even more severe statistics than that, and the world media doesn’t wanna acknowledge that it’s fast heading toward being a basket case because it’s gonna make them look like twits.

You can read Part I and Part II of my coverage of the Suidlanders and their connection to American white nationalists as well.