For the second time, BlazeTV host Lauren Chen joined a livestream with Nico Kenn De Balinthazy (a.k.a. “Sneako”), a misogynistic, pro-Hitler Internet personality. During the broadcast, Chen defended antisemitic claims that Jews “killed Jesus” and “control the government or Hollywood or the media.”

De Balinthazy, along with other “manosphere” influencers, has explicitly defended Hitler and the Nazis, and made antisemitic remarks. Last year De Balinthazy spoke at an “America First” rally hosted by Holocaust denier and white supremacist Nick Fuentes, who called for a “holy war” against Jews.

Early in his conversation with Lauren Chen, De Balinthazy asked if she’d ever met a woman who stopped using birth control and was able to “start raising children.” Chen said that she had, and mentioned Gina Bontempo — a right-wing podcaster who “tells people about the dangers of birth control.”

Chen also criticized the use of birth control, claiming that “studies” show that “women on birth control are attracted to different men.”

“They’ve done studies on this,” Chen said. “Because basically birth control tricks your body into thinking that your pregnant. It messes up your hormones so you can’t get pregnant. But the result of that is like, yeah, at different times in a woman’s cycle, we find different qualities in a mate attractive.”

“And so you could actually be, long-term, tricking yourself into thinking you’re attracted to someone who you’re actually not. And the difference usually is if you’re on birth control you’re gonna be attracted to more I guess feminine or softer men than you are off of birth control,” she claimed.

“So birth control was designed to make feminists fall in love with soyboys?” De Balinthazy asked. Chen replied that “essentially that’s what the outcome has been.” She also told De Balinthazy that “birth control was designed to like upend the nuclear family and encourage promiscuity” — calling it “pretty scary stuff.”

De Balinthazy then asked Chen for her thoughts on the so-called Antisemitism Awareness Act recently passed by the House. Under this law, when the Department of Education investigates violations of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, it must “take into consideration” the “working definition” of antisemitism offered by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

The IHRA’s examples of antisemitism, however, include “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination; e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor” and “applying double standards by requiring of [Israel] a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.”

Last year, over 100 Israeli and international civil society organizations urged the United Nations not to adopt the IHRA’s working definition of antisemitism, arguing that it “has often been used to wrongly label criticism of Israel as antisemitic, and thus chill and sometimes suppress, non-violent protest, activism and speech critical of Israel and/or Zionism.”

Lauren Chen, however, took issue with the fact that, according to the IHRA, claiming that Jews are responsible for killing Jesus is an example of “classic antisemitism.” This falsehood has been used to justify antisemitic violence against Jews for hundreds of years. But Chen argued that it was simply a biblical belief.

“And we see that a lot of like so-called Christian — I mean, Republicans as well as their supporters — they are supporting what is essentially a hate speech bill that, if you look at the definition of antisemitism, that it includes that — it has the U.S. government recognize — it includes antisemitic ‘tropes’ like the idea that Jews killed Jesus. Also known as what is written in the Bible,” Chen said.

She also criticized the IHRA for claiming it is antisemitic to promote the myth that Jews control the government or the media.

“Like even the idea that Jews, I think, control the government or Hollywood or the media — that’s considered antisemitism,” she complained. “It’s like, well, it’s just a statistical fact that they’re overrepresented. Like, are statistics antisemitic now too? Apparently.”