On a recent episode of his Rumble show, Elijah Schaffer interviewed racist Internet personality Devon Tracey. During the episode, titled “Will BLACK CRIME Lead to TOTAL COLLAPSE?”, Schaffer said that he would not move his family to a Black neighborhood because of “violent crime” and that his “desire for safety is to remove Black people.”

Tracey, who uses the pseudonym “Atheism Is Unstoppable” and hosts a show on Gavin McInnes’ Censored.TV platform, has a history of racist commentary, particularly against Black people.

On X, Tracey claimed that Emmett Till, a Black child who was lynched after a white woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, accused Till of whistling at her and grabbing her waist, “committed sexual assault.” Although she reportedly recanted this claim, and her unpublished memoir is filled with contradictory statements about what happened, Tracey declared Till was “guilty.”

In a follow-up post he wrote that Till’s brutal murder was “no more gruesome than the thousands of white people killed by blacks since then.” He added, “fuck him for his sexual assault.” When Donham passed away last April at the age of 89, Tracey called her an “innocent victim of sexual assault.”

Tracey took a similar approach to George Stinney, a 14-year-old Black boy who was wrongfully executed in 1944. Stinney had been accused of murdering two white girls and was found guilty by an all-white jury after deliberating for ten minutes. In 2014 Stinney’s conviction was vacated by a South Carolina circuit court judge.

Of Stinney’s execution, Tracey wrote, “This 14 year old killed an 11 and a 7 year old little girl. He 100 percent did it and was executed for it. I have zero problems with that. Zero.”

But when it came to Brock Turner, a white Stanford student who was convicted after publicly sexually assaulting an unconscious woman, Tracey took a different tack, declaring him “100 percent innocent.” In a another post, he called Turner, who was found guilty of sexual assault with intent to rape, a “hero and stud.”

In a post directed at Nina Turner, a Black politician, Tracey declared that “America was founded on White people kicking ass, building shit, pioneering the joint, defeating all those who stepped to us, and creating one of the most prosperous nations on earth in the image of our prior White nation, England.” He has also used the racial slur “mudshark.”

Elijah Schaffer kicked off the show by joking that he ran into his doctor on the street, before playing a clip of an unidentified Black male playing with a knife. “Very normal, very normal,” he said when the clip ended. “These are our doctors. These are our lawyers. Our presidents of Harvard. They are a master race. They built the pyramids.”

Schaffer then bluntly stated that he and his guest would be “talking about Black people today.” Schaffer said that the Left blames racism for America’s problems while the Right blames Democrats. But, he said, he has “been to Vermont” which is a “Democrat state” that is “quite beautiful.”

“It’s clean. [It has] wonderful people. But it’s 95% Caucasian,” he said. “Maybe, just maybe, there’s another problem on our hands.”

Later in the show, Schaffer played yet another clip — this one of an unidentified Black woman being questioned by a white police officer. The officer informs the woman that video footage showed someone from her house take a neighbor’s package, and that the neighbor simply wanted it back. The Black woman denied that she had seen any package in her house.

Schaffer stated that he was not going to “take the crimes of a couple people and blame Black people” as a whole. He also said he was not going to suggest that “all Black people are violent” or part of a “coordinated attack to destabilize society.”

But, he asked his guest, Devon Tracey, why a Black woman would deny being involved in a crime if she was confronted with “video evidence.”

“And there’s this lack of responsibility. Whose fault is that?” Schaffer asked. “Is this a systemic issue that Black people are told that they are victims, that they’re not guilty so they automatically do that? Is it a historical issue where they feel like they’ve always been targeted?”

Tracey first blamed “parenting,” and pointed out that the woman is a single mother who claimed in the video to live with her daughter. “God forbid she’d have a son, imagine what that son would turn out to be,” Tracey said. “He would be the type of guy who would lunge and attack a judge.”

Tracey was referencing a Black man named Deobra Redden, who was shown attacking a Las Vegas judge in a viral clip. Redden reportedly has both schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

Tracey chalked Redden’s actions up to “stupidity” and a “total lack of impulse control,” and said that “if you take that on a grand scale, over centuries, I mean that is a terrible formula.” He added that “if any other race did shit like that, or any of the shit you highlight, we would point it out, and gladly point it out.”

Schaffer told Tracey that talking about “Black crime” isn’t about “push[ing] hate toward a group of people,” but rather about “remind[ing] people to never relax.” (“Around Blacks, never relax” is a popular white supremacist slogan taken from a racist cartoon by Nick Bougas. It was featured on the website of the Neo-Nazi hate group White Aryan Resistance.)

“It’s to remind people to keep safe,” he continued. “I don’t tell my wife ‘We’re not gonna move to a Black neighborhood because Black people are ugly’ or ‘because Black people suck’ or ‘because Black women are loud.’ I say ‘We don’t move to a Black neighborhood because the violent crime is high. And the levels of danger increase.'”

Schaffer then said, “And as a husband, my desire for safety is to remove Black people.”