Daily Shoah Co-Hosts: Nazi Scientists and White People Should Be Recognized for Space Exploration Work

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This is another post for which I’m, regrettably, quite late to. Not just because it concerns a Daily Shoah podcast from February 7, 2017 (yes, they’re still doing those!), but because it concerns the Oscar-nominated movie Hidden Figures, about three black NASA mathematicians whose work was integral to the Mercury-Atlas 6 mission. Over at The Right Stuff, the hosts of The Daily Shoah celebrated what they call “Black Fake History Month,” and discussed both the (then recent) Super Bowl and the movie Hidden Figures, which they criticized as historically inaccurate and anti-white.

Beginning with the Super Bowl, Jesse Dunstan (aka SeventhSon/Sven) pointed out that the year’s most important professional football game was played in February — in what he calls “Black Fake History Month” — instead of January. He pleaded with listeners to not sarcastically refer to football as “sportsball,” however.

“You know who says sportsball?” Dunstan asked. “Feminists, beta males, people who have a problem with masculinity and competition in general.” Co-host Alex McNabb remarked that it should be called “niggerball” due to the abundance of African-American players. “You know who says it,” Mike Peinovich (aka Mike Enoch) stated, before playing an audio clip of someone shouting “Fucking faggots!”

Peinovich also claimed that the “best thing is when you’re watching with family and friends” — assuming they haven’t disowned you for being a Neo-Nazi — since, after a few beers, you can just blurt out, “I’m fucking done with this Jewish shit!” Dunstan replied that he feels the same way about everything on television, calling most programming a form of “advanced Jewry.”

Dunstan: So yeah, [the Super Bowl] used to be in January, and as is the trend with the National Football League is to stretch it out and create as much product as possible, the Super Bowl falls within Black Fake History Month in February this year. It was just yesterday, and they managed to do it. They found a way to get all these alt-right Neo-Nazis to care about football again. And it worked. I mean, it was brilliant.

Peinovich: [Laughter] I’m totally onboard with this narrative, by the way.

Dunstan: It was so brilliant. I mean the first thing that I was going on that was pissing me off was like, alright guys, stop calling it “sportsball.” When you call it sportsball —

McNabb: It’s niggerball. It’s niggerball.

Dunstan: Even if you’re not in company where you can get away with that, just don’t do the “sportsball” thing. You know who says sportsball? Feminists, beta males, people who have a problem with masculinity and competition in general. We don’t have that kind of problem. We like competition and, you know, feats of strength.

Peinovich: You know who says it. [Audio clip of person shouting “Fucking faggots!”]

Dunstan: Basically, yeah. I understand you wanna counter signal pro sports. That’s fine because they’re in a terrible state of affairs. But for Christ’s sake, don’t do the sportsball thing. That was the first [inaudible].

Peinovich: You can use that Latin phrase for “bread and circuses” and sound like you’re super educated if you wanna counter signal sportsball.

Dunstan: Yeah, if you wanna see —

Peinovoch: I mean, professional sports.

Dunstan: If you wanna see deer-in-the-headlights stares coming back at the people you’re targeting, you can say that. But —

McNabb: Yeah. That’s why niggerball’s a far more effective term.

Dunstan: It is effective. But let’s face it, you can’t always get away with that. I know we like to think —

McNabb: Yeah, I mean, you’re gonna get banned on Facebook and you might have to defend yourself. But hey it’s worth it.

Dunstan:So…oh, god…

Peinovich: The best thing is when you’re watching with family and friends. Once the commercial comes on, that you can’t deal with it anymore and you’ve had a couple of beers, you just burst out, “I’m fucking done with this Jewish shit!” [Laughter] And then just pretend like it’s just normal. Just shrug it off. Like, “What?”

Dunstan: What? What’s the matter? What’s the matter?

Peinovich: I was just telling a story like that yesterday. He was like, “Luckily it was just family and friends. It wasn’t a huge deal. But it was like the record skipped.”

Dunstan: [Laughter]

Peinovich: What? What? What? What? Come on.

Dunstan: That’s like me watching any Netflix original show now.

Peinovich: It’s like me anytime I’ll look at any medium.

Dunstan: Anytime you watch anything it’s like that. It’s like, I can’t take anymore of this Jewry. It’s advanced Jewry.

On the subject of the critically acclaimed film Hidden Figures, Paul Kersey of the blog Stuff Black People Don’t Like chimed in to praise Nazi scientist Wernher von Braun. von Braun was among some 1500 Nazi scientists and engineers smuggled out of post-war Germany to the U.S. in Operation Paperclip. von Braun, an SS member and inventor of Nazi Germany’s V-2 rocket, was certainly integral to the creation of the Saturn V rocket for the U.S. As Kersey put it, without these “Nazi scientists” we would not have gone into space.

In comparison, the “most embarrassing moment in human history,” in Kersey’s view, was when “blacks” from the Poor People’s Campaign “show[ed] up on a mule-driven caravan to protest” the “misallocation, the misappropriation of funds that should be going to alleviate poverty and black blight and black crime.”

“But I mean could you think of a more stark juxtaposition of technology than the Saturn V rocket, which is one of the most magnificent pieces of machinery ever built towering two hundred feet in the air, and then these blacks show up on a mule-driven cart when there is absolutely no record in history of Africans ever even inventing the wheel,” continued Kersey. “They just show up on, you know, white technology in the, what, the 17th Century? 16th Century?”

Dunstan: Hidden Figures is the name of the film. Greg just, you just published a review on Counter-Currents, correct? I mean maybe —

Johnson: Right.

Dunstan: — we should just start there. It’s a [good], nice little review.

Johnson: We wuz astronauts.

Dunstan: We wuz astronauts. Kersey, this is one of your go-to, this is like your wheelhouse, this subject, the idea of blacks and NASA and the… [Laughter]

Peinovich: Yeah, it seems like this was a movie made for you, really.

McNabb: I wasn’t aware of this connection. Like, I would love to hear more details about this.

Kersey: I mean, yeah. I mean I don’t wanna steal Greg’s thunder, but just to quickly, you know, forty thousand foot view, I’ve always been fascinated by why we gave up going to space when JFK made his famous speech, we’ll get to the moon by the end of the decade. And in eight years, you know, we did. And even crazier, when you actually put it in perspective, the Wright brothers flew in 1903.

Dunstan: Yeah.

Kersey: And then sixty six years later, we’re on the fucking moon? Are you kidding mean? I remember when I was —

McNabb: Wait, so, we landed on the moon?

Dunstan: Oh Jesus.

Peinovich: We’re not doin’ that shit.

Dunstan: We’re not doin’ that.

Kersey: Gene Cernan who just died, I think last month, he was the last man to walk on the moon in 1972 with Apollo 17 or 18. I can’t remember what it was. But no, I mean, I remember when I went to Huntsville and to the U.S. rocketry center. And you learn about [Wernher] von Braun, and you just think, “My god, without these Nazi scientists we would never even have gotten —

Unknown: [Laughter]

Kersey: I mean, if you really wanna go back, if you really wanna talk about who is the real father of the American space program, it’s Walt Disney. ‘Cause in the 1950s he had to have — ABC was a fledgling network, and they needed some programming. So he decided to do these weekly vignettes. And he did one called “Tomorrowland” where they brought von Braun. And this is one of the most amazing things you could ever see, because it’s von Braun talking about what it would take to go to Mars.

And when von Braun was in Texas for four years, when he was brought over from ’45 to ’49, he wrote a book that is nothing but the mathematics behind how to get to Mars. And, no it’s just all so sad because I remember learning, probably in high school, about what is quite possibly the most embarrassing moment in human history, when on July 16th, 1969, as we’re about to launch the Saturn V into space to take, you know, Aldrin and Collins and Neil Armstrong to the moon, blacks show up on a mule-driven —

Dunstan: Yes. Yes.

Kersey: — caravan to protest. The Poor People’s Campaign. They show up with Ralph Abernathy, the guy who took over the S-C — I can’t remember what it is, Martin Luther King’s civil rights shakedown organization — they show up to protest the misallocation, the misappropriation of funds that should be going to alleviate poverty and black blight and black crime. I’m not making this up. They actually show up, and there’s a picture I found of Abernathy hanging a sign around the NASA administrator’s name, aptly named Thomas Paine. It was basically a white guilt sign.

Dunstan: Yeah.

Kersey: And he hanged it around his neck. And one of the sad things is there aren’t really that many pictures of this caravan that shows up. But I mean could you think of a more stark juxtaposition of technology than the Saturn V rocket, which is one of the most magnificent pieces of machinery ever built towering two hundred feet in the air, and then these blacks show up on a mule-driven cart when there is absolutely no record in history of Africans ever even inventing the wheel. They just show up on, you know, white —

Peinovich: Yeah.

Kersey: — technology in the, what, the 17th Century? 16th Century?

Peinovich: Yeah. Older white technology.

Kersey: It’s just fascinating. And to me one of the saddest things is that there weren’t enough documentation of that event. Because it so —

Peinovich: People have no idea that that ever happened. I mean —

Kersey: And Martin Luther King would’ve been the one had he not been shot by the FBI in ’68 —

Peinovich: He would’ve been the one doing it.

Kersey: Exactly.

The group then discussed Kathleen Johnson, one of the mathematicians portrayed in Hidden Figures, whom Kersey declared “didn’t do anything.” Greg Johnson of Counter-Currents Publishing pushed back on this, stating that she “did do somethin’.” However, he said that Johnson was most likely “majority white in her genetics.” Crediting this supposed biracial heritage for her success, he lauded Johnson for having been a successful “math prodigy” who graduated from college at the age of 18.

In addition, Greg Johnson found it important to point out that her success came before the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In other words, systemic racism didn’t bar Johnson from being viewed as the best person for the job, and as a result, the pre-Civil Rights Act days could not have been terrible for black people. “That’s one of the things that’s so interesting about this movie. It’s supposed to be an argument for civil rights and Negro uplift and liberation and all that kind of stuff.”

Kersey then read a quote from the author of the Hidden Figures book, explaining that the three protagonists of the film were not solely responsible for the success of the Mercury-Atlas 6 mission, but rather it was their effort combined with that of multiple teams of people. Kersey denounced the movie as a “slap in the face of the four hundred thousand NASA employees that were almost entirely white male, who actually did all this,” and praised Jim Crow as a “check on black dysfunction.”

After all, “without Jim Crow how would you ever have kept black dysfunction in check to produce quadroons of [Kathleen Johnson’s] quality?”

Kersey: If this Kathleen Johnson, who is the main figure of  Hidden Figures, if she was really as important as they claim she was, you could’ve just said, “Here, we’ve got the PR coup of the century. This black woman —

Peinovich: Yeah.

Kersey: — is in charge with plotting the trajectory and the parabolas, doing the mathematics behind getting these people into orbit and then back safely.” I mean, are you kidding me? That’s like the greatest story ever to try and get blacks behind NASA. And it didn’t happen because she didn’t do anything.

Peinovich: Yeah.

Kersey: It’s really that simple.

Peinovich: Yeah it is sort of funny, ’cause…oh, sorry, go ahead Greg.

Johnson: Well, it really is hard to know what she did do.

Dunstan: Yeah.

Johnson: There’s no question that the woman —

Dunstan: Think she dindu nothin’?

Johnson: She did do somethin’. She did do somethin’.

Dunstan: Right.

Johnson: But, here’s the thing. The woman, first of all, if you look at her —

Dunstan: [She’s] not black.

Johnson: She’s obviously, massively, probably majority white in her genetics, in her DNA. She’s got blue eyes, very fair skin. She could’ve passed maybe as white. She was recognized as a child as a math prodigy. She was given appropriate education. She’s alive today. She’s 98 years old. So this was way back before civil rights and everything.

Dunstan: Yeah.

Johnson: This woman was recognized for her talents, given appropriate education, graduated from high school at age 14, graduated from college at age 18, was the first black woman admitted to a graduate program in West Virginia at some university near where she grew up, she quit the program to raise a family. In 1953, the fact that she had African ancestry did not impede her from being hired by NACA, N-A-C-A, which was the precursor of NASA. And she worked there for the rest of her career. And there are these two other women who are portrayed in the movie. They actually existed too. One became a computer programmer. One became an engineer. All of this happened before the Civil Rights Act.

Peinovich: [Laughter]

Johnson: That’s one of the things that’s so interesting about this movie. It’s supposed to be an argument for civil rights and Negro uplift and liberation and all that kind of stuff. And yet all of these women achieved the things that they achieved without that because A) they were talented, apparently, and they were plucky enough to persevere, and evil white people somehow recognized their talents and gave them jobs and educations and things like that. There’s no story here, folks.

Dunstan: Well listen. Kirsten Dunst was very rude to these poor women as they were doing [inaudible].

McNabb: What did they accomplish? What did they actually do?

Dunstan: We don’t know.

Peinovich: That’s my question.

Dunstan: Do we even know?

Peinovich: Let’s…Hold up, hold up. Let’s…

Kersey: We actually do know what they did. And the author —

Dunstan: Oh, we do.

Kersey: We do know what they did. The author of the book, if I could read to you what the author said. Her name is Margot Shetterly. Here’s what she said about Hidden Figures: “You might get the indication in the movie that these were the only people doing those jobs, when in reality we know they worked in teams. And those teams had other teams. There were sections, branches, divisions, and they all went up to a director. There were so many people required to make this happen. But I understand you can’t make a movie with three hundred characters.”

Dunstan: Yeah.

Kersey: “It is simply not possible.” So the whole idea about Hidden Figures, guys, is that they’re pushing this idea that only these women were in charge of —

Dunstan: Yes.

Kersey: — plotting the trajectory. And that is a slap in the face of the four hundred thousand NASA employees that were almost entirely white male, who —

Dunstan: Yeah.

Kersey: — actually did all this, and —

Dunstan: Right. Right.

Kersey: — as Greg said, yes, Katherine Johnson lived during Jim Crow. She’s from the Hampton area. She went to an HBCU. All Jim Crow was, was a check on black dysfunction.

Dunstan: Right.

Kersey: And one of the more startling things about Greg’s review at Counter-Currents is it points out that, hey, that was actually a lovely courtship that transpired in this film Hidden Figures.

Dunstan: It was.

Kersey: And that’s one of the main points of the book. That’s one of the main points of the book is how elegant Katherine Johnson is. And my whole theory is when you look at pictures of her, colored pictures of her from the 1960s and ’70s, you’d be hard-pressed to say, oh my god, that’s a black woman.

Dunstan: Right.

Kersey: She looks Caucasian. Even to this day you look at some of these events where Obama has her wheelchaired out, it’s kind of sad because it’s supposed to be these Black Power events. And yet all the people that they’re canonizing that were black employees for NASA, they all pass the brown paper bag test with flying colors.

Unknown: Right.

Kersey: And to me, Greg is actually probably not going far enough. That this movie really canonizes and lauds Jim Crow, because without Jim Crow how would you ever have kept black dysfunction in check to produce quadroons of this quality.

Finally, Greg Johnson floated the idea of throwing money at a possible defense system to prevent an asteroid from striking the Earth. Peinovich agreed and said he had discussed this very subject on a previous podcast prior to Trump’s election. Peinovich said he hopes Donald Trump will announce the goal of creating “an orbital defense network for the Earth” by 2025 — preferably one called ODIN.

This project would be a better use of taxpayer dollars, according to the Daily Shoah crew, because the purpose of government is not to make blacks and whites “equal.” Though Peinovich lamented that countless schoolchildren no doubt believe this because they’re watching films like Hidden Figures and being taught to “worship” Martin Luther King, Jr. If the human race cannot create a defense system of this kind, Peinovich insisted it would make our species look “retarded.”

Greg Johnson said we already look “retarded” because we “worship people who ride around on mule wagons” and protest the space budget, and because we listen to folks like jazz poet “Gil Scott-fucking-Heron” who “is bitching and complaining that his rent got raised in his rat-infested flop because whitey’s on the moon.” (Check out Scott-Heron’s song “Whitey on the Moon” here.) “Well I’m sorry but black children are still getting bitten by rats today and we haven’t been to the moon since 1972. It’s not gonna happen, blacky,” complained Johnson bitterly. “You’re not gonna ever be our equals.”

Peinovich: I remember talking about this. Before Trump was elected we had this discussion, we were like, Trump should do a JFK and he should stand up there and say, “Our goal is to, by 2025, build an orbital defense network for the Earth. We’re going to build an orbital defense network so an asteroid cannot hit the Earth.”

Johnson: Yeah. And we have all of this great stuff about the dinosaurs going extinct. It would be great for technology, for math. And it would also encourage international cooperation. It’s something we can cooperate with the Russians and the Chinese on. It would be a great thing. And the knock-on effects economically, educationally, and so forth of this are incalculable. Just like they were with NASA. We need to start doing this again. And to do that, though, we’re gonna have to fight tooth and nail against the people who think that the only purpose of the American government is to try to do the impossible by making non-white people our equals.

Peinovich: Yeah. I mean that is the moral theory of the U.S. government at the time, and it’s so widespread. And it’s because of children getting sent to these kinds of movies and learning to worship MLK and all this stuff that the only purpose of government is to create equality between whites and non-whites. And of course every Jewish editorialist in the country and anchor person is buying this. And it’s a big problem.

But yeah, we were LARPing real hard. We’re like, Trump is gonna initiate the orbital defense network, we’re gonna call it ODIN: Orbital Defense Integrated Network. And it’s gonna patrol the skies above our planet. And I was like, this is what — and that’s a LARP but it’s not like it’s beyond our capability as a species, as a race to do this. [Inaudible] And if we’re not doing it, then that makes us look like idiots. Like we’re retarded. Like how can we not be doing this?

Johnson: We’re retarded people who worship people who ride around on mule wagons and scream about — we’re retarded because we listened to Gil Scott-fucking-Heron and his “Whitey on the Moon,” who is bitching and complaining that his rent got raised in his rat-infested flop because whitey’s on the moon. Well I’m sorry but black children are still getting bitten by rats today and we haven’t been to the moon since 1972. It’s not gonna happen, blacky. You’re not gonna ever be our equals.

And we need to stop wasting time and money on you, and start actually doing something [that’s] eventually gonna save the world. Because we’ve got to have some major technological Hail Marys come through. If we’re gonna survive on this planet with all the pollution and the burgeoning populations and the energy problems, we’re gonna have to go back in the direction that we were going in the 1960s with a big, government-funded R&D project. And that has to come from the United States. It’s not gonna come from anywhere else on the planet.