On his BlazeTV show, Auron MacIntyre interviewed longtime white nationalist Kevin DeAnna about the potential demise of VDARE — a racist, anti-immigrant website he writes for. MacIntyre also promoted the white supremacist “Great Replacement” conspiracy, and praised white supremacist figures like Sam Francis and Pat Buchanan.

Kevin DeAnna has spent much of his life in fringe, far-right politics, authoring articles for white nationalist websites like VDARE and American Renaissance under the pseudonyms “Gregory Hood” and “James Kirkpatrick.”

In one article for the white nationalist website Counter-Currents, DeAnna promoted the book SIEGE — a collection of writings by Neo-Nazi James Mason. Writing as “Gregory Hood,” DeAnna agreed with Mason’s assessment that “white advocates must think of all white people everywhere as our army.”

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, DeAnna also made references to The Turner Diaries — a violent race war fantasy novel which has inspired several acts of terrorism — both in his work and private conversations.

On BlazeTV’s The Auron MacIntyre Show, DeAnna explained the history of VDARE and its impact on right-wing politics. DeAnna told MacIntyre that VDARE and its founder Peter Brimelow “had a big impact, despite being essentially frozen out by the conservative movement.” He added that some of VDARE’s writers have “broken into the mainstream or the near-mainstream.”

As an example, DeAnna mentioned Steve Sailer, a white nationalist who responded to Hurricane Maria by writing that the “catastrophic incompetence of Puerto Rico today is a foretaste of what is in store for the Hispanicized USA later in the 21st Century.” Last October Sailer appeared as a guest on The Charlie Kirk Show.

“Unfortunately for Peter [Brimelow], and for his wife Lydia, it seems that they’ve triumphed, and the price of their triumph was their professional destruction,” DeAnna said.

“Because immigration was always a tough battle within the GOP. You have to remember The Wall Street Journal used to advocate for a constitutional amendment that said ‘There shall be open borders.’ That was considered to be the establishment GOP position. Now there’s really nobody pushing for more immigration — at least not openly — within the GOP.”

DeAnna credited VDARE and what he dubbed “the Trump revolution” for this change in attitude. And he claimed that this was the reason VDARE is currently under investigation by New York Attorney General Letitia James. James is looking into VDARE’s $1.4 million purchase of a historic West Virginia castle, which may cost the group its nonprofit status.

DeAnna stated that for “people who have achieved success within the system, it really can be taken away very quickly, once you step on the wrong side of a lot of these issues.” He added that “the biggest issue, fundamentally, is immigration because immigration determines everything else. Demography is destiny, for better or worse.”

MacIntyre agreed with DeAnna, calling immigration “the linchpin” and (once again) echoing the white supremacist “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.

“In a democracy you are going to have the way that your decisions are made impacted by the people who cast the votes,” MacIntyre explained. “And if you can fundamentally change the people who are in the country — which many people on the Left and sadly even on the Right seem more than happy to do — then you will change the way that they vote.”

“The Left is not squeamish about saying this,” he continued. “In fact, they brag about it all the time. ‘As soon as we can transform Texas, as soon as we can transform some of these other states to Latino or something else, we can switch it over.’ They announce these plans on a regular basis.”

And when MacIntyre said that America is “slowly and surely being changed,” DeAnna spoke up to claim that this is being done “deliberately.”

DeAanna also complained about the treatment of so-called “paleoconservatives” — the far-right of the conservative movement. He claimed that “there’s a certain element in which there’s never really been an American Right,” because conservatism has often been hijacked by people who “send [the movement] on these tangents that don’t really go anywhere.”

He cited the George W. Bush administration as an example of right-wingers squandering their chance to enact anti-immigrant policies, instead prioritizing the invasion of Iraq.

“And now I think the Republican base has become so sick and so bitter of these continued betrayals that they’re starting to look to the people who had been kicked out of the movement a long time ago,” he said. “The people who William F. Buckley and his tradition of purges said were no longer part of the respectable Right. Well, the respectable Right has failed us.”

Buckley’s National Review magazine notably fired Holocaust denier Joseph Sobran and white nationalist John Derbyshire. When National Review took a stand against Donald Trump in 2015, various alt-right figures such as Douglass Mackey (a.k.a. “Ricky Vaughn”) and The Right Stuff’s Mike Peinovich pushed the hashtag #NRORevolt.

Auron MacIntyre then chimed in to praise white supremacist Pat Buchanan, referring to his racist writings as “prophetic.” In Buchanan’s 2011 book Suicide of a Superpower, which contains chapters like “The End of White America,” he downplayed the horrors of segregation while claiming that “whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus.”

“Like you said, you go back and read Pat Buchanan’s books and they’re just prophetic. It’s exactly what happened, blow-by-blow. Same thing, of course, with Paul Gottfried, and, really, Sam Francis is one that I delve into in my upcoming book The Total State.” MacIntyre said. He went on to liken Francis’ book Leviathan and Its Enemies to a “decoder ring for the future.”

Sam Francis was an influential white supremacist writer who edited Pat Buchanan’s 2002 book The Death of the West. In a 1995 column for American Renaissance, Francis argued that white people “must formulate a white racial consciousness,” and, in a 2004 article for VDARE, called an ad featuring a white actress and Black NFL player an “act of moral subversion.”

DeAnna pointed out that some of Francis’ terminology — like the phrase “anarcho-tyranny” have caught on. Sam Francis used this phrase in a 1994 essay where he railed against the enforcement of seatbelt laws while other crimes seemingly went unpunished. Right-wing figures from Pedro Gonzalez to Charlie Kirk to Tucker Carlson have all embraced the term.

Toward the end of the show, they discussed Donald Trump and his lasting appeal. Both MacIntyre and DeAnna acknowledged Trump’s flaws, but admitted that they don’t matter in the grand scheme of things. DeAnna claimed that people “know he’s sincere and a fighter” and “seem[s] to actually care about the people he’s representing.”

MacIntyre called Trump unworthy of “the movement that he is in possession of,” but declared that Trump “spoke to American identity in a way that no one had in generations.”

DeAnna then said that they once had a candidate who was “classically-educated,” “sprinkles his speech with aphorisms,” has a “long, proven record within the conservative movement,” and is a “committed Christian,” and that that candidate was Pat Buchanan. “And the conservative movement plunged the knife into his back with utter glee,” DeAnna griped.