On a recent episode of Radio 3Fourteen, alt-right host Lana Lokteff was joined by Melissa, a self-described “reactionary” who runs the website The New Femininity and once wrote a vomit-inducing article called “5 Reasons Donald Trump is Hot and Sexy.” On this episode the pair discussed — what else? — how the movement for women’s rights actually destroyed the fabric of American society.

Lokteff, who has expressed anti-feminist views in the past, said that she believes feminists have “done a lot to destroy our society, to tear up the family unit” and to destroy “our biological roles where we function the best.” She asked Melissa whether she believed all waves of feminism have been “destructive,” to which Melissa responded that she did.

“I believe that because it’s a self-centered, or fem-centric, movement where it focuses on the woman herself instead of for her family, or for her husband, or for her children. I think that as human beings, I think that both women and men were made to be self-sacrificing, and not to be selfish,” Melissa said. “So feminism is just, it’s the finger pointing at themselves: ‘I need this, I need that.’ You know, and a lot of them are ending up miserable, alone. It’s ‘Me, me, me, me.’ Well, if it’s you, you, you, you, that’s where you’re gonna end up, just you.”

Lokteff brought up the first wave of feminists who fought for the right to vote, informing her audience that there was a right to vote already — for men on behalf of their household. That is, until women’s suffragists — whom she labeled either “spinsters” or women who “had issues with their husbands” — ruined everything.

Melissa, meanwhile, lamented the rise of the single parent households and destruction of the traditional nuclear family. When she was young, she said, “there was no such thing as a single parent household.” Lokteff joked that if there were such households, they were reserved for “trashy people” and were generally “frowned upon.” Melissa stated that this way of life has been “totally subverted” — in spite of evidence that the nuclear family was far from traditional, and that other so-called non-traditional families function just as well.

Finally, Lokteff brought up a promotional poster for the web television series The Man in the High Castle — based off the dystopian novel of the same name in which Nazi Germany wins World War II and conquers America’s east coast. Lokteff praised the poster, which showed a very Aryan-looking family, as showing a good example of the traditional family. Melissa replied that it looked “pretty damn good” to her.

Lokteff: Yeah I think the feminist movement has done a lot to destroy our society, to tear up the family unit, our biological roles where we function the best. Do you think that all phases of feminism have been destructive?

Melissa: Yes. I believe that because it’s a self-centered, or fem-centric, movement where it focuses on the woman herself instead of for her family, or for her husband, or for her children. I think that as human beings, I think that both women and men were made to be self-sacrificing, and not to be selfish. So feminism is just, it’s the finger pointing at themselves: “I need this, I need that.” You know, and a lot of them are ending up miserable, alone. It’s “Me, me, me, me.” Well, if it’s you, you, you, you, that’s where you’re gonna end up, just you.

Lokteff: Yeah. Exactly. All by yourself. It’s true. And the very first phase of feminism, too, was about, they wanted the right to vote. Well, guess what? There was a one vote per household, right? People voted as a unit and that had an important function in society. And then it’s basically a lot of spinsters that didn’t have a family or they had issues with their husbands or something that were really pushing this, you know, “No, we need to have our own vote, we need to own –“, so it was creating division right there —

Melissa: Right.

Lokteff: — from the get go.

Melissa: Yes. Oh, yes. Definitely. That’s what the goal of feminism is is to destroy the family unit and to break up — ’cause I mean if you destroy the family you destroy a society. And that’s what we’re witnessing right now. When I was a kid — I’m sure you can relate to this — there was no such thing as a single parent household. I mean this was just even — what — thirty years ago, and —

Lokteff: And if there was they were usually trashy people, right? They were frowned upon.

Melissa: Yeah, it was something that happened to, like, indigent people or people that just, you know, they were drug abusers or something like that. But we all had nuclear families. I mean that was completely normal, you know? Dad got out of bed everyday and went to work, mom stayed home and took care of the kids. My mother didn’t go to work until I was in high school. So, nowadays I think that’s been totally subverted. Now, it’s rare to see a nuclear family, whereas, you know, every household now is a single parent household, or some variation thereof.

Lokteff: It’s funny you say that. Right away I thought about this show, The Man in the High Castle. There’s this poster — Henrik you can pull it up, and it’s — here’s a nuclear family, right? This is how they portray them, right? They’re blonde, they’re happy, they’re clean-cut, and they’re Nazis. You know, it’s ridiculous.

Melissa: Well I look at that and I think what’s so wrong with that? That looks pretty damn good to me.

Lokteff: I know. Exactly. It’s ridiculous.