On the 18th episode of Tucker Carlson’s Twitter show, Carlson’s guest Douglas Macgregor claimed that people want to “destroy Russia” because “it’s the last European state that has not been flooded with foreigners.” Macgregor, a racist ex-Army colonel, often appeared on Carlson’s Fox show to act as a foreign policy expert.

Macgregor is also a Putin apologist who claimed that Russia “really didn’t start” the war in Ukraine.

Carlson played a clip of Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, a transgender former journalist who became a spokesperson for Ukraine’s Territorial Defense Forces. In the clip, Ashton-Cirillo called Russian President Vladimir Putin a “vampire” who “bathes in the blood of innocent children.”

Carlson mocked Ashton-Cirillo as a “guy with fake breasts,” and asked Macgregor for his response to her remarks. Macgregor said that the “people bathing in blood are in Kiev and Washington, not in Moscow.”

Macgregor told Carlson that “We’re going to see this whole thing collapse and implode. It’s coming.” Carlson asked if NATO would collapse as well, to which Macgregor replied “I would think so” because Germany is “well into a recession” and “deindustrialized itself by casting its lot with the anti-Russian crowd.”

Macgregor also stated that today’s Russian military is nothing like the Soviet Army, which he called “an exercise in barbarism, and savagery, [and] mass rape.”

“That’s not Russia today,” he claimed. “Russia today is a very different society, [a] very different state. And that’s been Putin’s effort from day one. He’s been interested in restoring Russia as an Orthodox Christian state with a true national identity and a strong national culture.”

“That’s probably another reason why so many people want to destroy Russia,” he continued. “Because it’s the last European state that has not been flooded with foreigners and turned into some sort of polyglot experiment.”

Macgregor said this “experiment” is “failing badly” because “when things fall apart economically” it becomes difficult for “all of these unwanted people in Europe and, for that matter, here as well.” He added that Americans and Germans will look at immigrants and ask whey they are being “subsidized.”

Carlson agreed, saying “I’m getting 1,400 bucks a month in retirement that I paid into my entire life, and you just show up from Congo and you’re getting 2,200 bucks.”