Recently, Jesse Lee Peterson began using his eponymous online talk show to give a platform to vocal white nationalists, including Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, and Tim “Baked Alaska” Gionet. Although he is an African-American pastor, Peterson has been receptive to white nationalist arguments on black crime rates, and once thanked God for the transatlantic slave trade during a live broadcast.

This knowledge made his recent, chummy interview with Neo-Nazi hacker Andrew Auernheimer slightly jarring. Peterson pitched some softball questions to Auernheimer, whose record of violent rhetoric was barely mentioned.

He asked, for example, if Auernheimer if he was “avoiding the U.S.A.,” to which he responded, “I’m avoiding the U.S.A. because it’s a broken, barren land full of whores and faggots and pornography and wickedness.” Peterson asked him twice more if that constituted a “yes,” and Auernheimer essentially repeated his first answer.

Trying to get to the bottom of why Auernheimer is a white supremacist, Peterson asked if black people were “mean” to him growing up. He said no, and added that he “became a white nationalist” because he “value[s] European civilization” and has no desire to live in a “black civilization.”

“It’s not about mean,” he said. “It’s about blacks have a different temperament. They aren’t being mean to me personally. They are more susceptible to crime. They commit lots more violent crime, lots more gun crime. Particularly as a result of the Civil Rights Movement when they betrayed the founding values of America to become the tools of Jewry.”

He claimed that this was when “the fatherlessness started happening among the black community” and when the “incarceration rate went up.”

Peterson himself made a similar argument in July, stating that “black people were better off…before the Civil Rights Movement, under the Jim Crow laws, than they are today because they didn’t have that hatred in their hearts.” And in February he said, “Without black people in this country, I think there would hardly be any riots, and the murder rate might drop by half or more.”

Toward the end of the interview Peterson finally brought up Auernheimer’s belief that hateful and violent rhetoric is an effective tool to win people over in the long run. Peterson did not, however, bring up any specific examples of this rhetoric, such as Auernheimer’s praise for Dylann Roof and Anders Breivik, or his statements in support of rape.

Instead, he allowed the Internet troll to ramble about how violent rhetoric “stretches people’s perceptions” and “creates a new point in their perception where they can comprehend the truth more easily.”

Peterson asked how effective a tactic this is, given that Auernheimer has been banned from every major social media platform. Auernheimer replied that Peterson had it backwards, and that it is precisely because his rhetoric is effective that he was censored by the “Christ-killers” of the “Jewish establishment.”

[The following is a series of clips from a nearly 20 minute interview.]