White nationalist Jared Taylor usually saves his ire for Hispanics, African-Americans, and Muslims. But in an October 27, 2017 interview with Red Elephants founder Vincent James, Taylor had a new target: people living in poverty. James hypothesized that immigrants from Latin America are coming to the U.S. in no small part because of public benefits such as WIC, SNAP, and “other incentives from the federal government.”

“Now if we were to take that away, if we were to, for instance, put credit checks for welfare with very strict limitations on welfare and things of that nature, I believe that some people that are coming over here for those particular benefits would be like, ‘Okay, yeah, I’m struggling here too, so I might as well just go back home with my family that I love and I really miss and struggle with them and at least be with them,'” said James.

He added that not only would this decrease the number of immigrants coming to the U.S. but that it would also decrease the number of out-of-wedlock births. Taylor agreed with James that “welfare is a perverse incentive” because “it says, ‘Okay, you 16-year-old girl, if you get pregnant and there’s no man around to help you, the state — the government — will pay for all of your needs” and “keep you alive.”

Taylor lamented that there are no longer social consequences for this type of “reckless procreation,” and “if you take the punishment away from lazy, irresponsible behavior, then you’re simply gonna get more of it.” “You can’t keep taxing the high-IQ people to support the increasing procreation of the low-IQ people,” he groused.

James admitted that he had briefly gone on public assistance when he was younger, and that he and his family benefited from the WIC (Women, Infants, and Children) program. WIC assists low income (below 185% of the federal poverty level) and “nutritionally at risk” pregnant/breastfeeding women, infants, and children. James said that he was “very embarrassed” about this.

“Well you should be,” Taylor replied. “We should all be embarrassed if we are sucking on the public teat,” he continued. “In effect we are — the government is the intermediary, but we are taking money from our neighbors. We are spongers, we are moochers when we are living on government hand-outs.” Not a particularly surprising position coming from a snob who once told Phil Donahue, “All of my neighbors are rich, white, and good-looking. And I like it that way.”

James then steered the conversation back toward the “whole race and IQ thing.” James said that when he debates college students on what he calls the “white privilege myth,” his response to concerns over the mass incarceration of black people is that black people commit “almost 50% of the entire country’s crimes.”

“There’s a reason why you don’t see Asians looting in the streets whenever there’s a hurricane,” he said. “There’s a reason why you don’t see Asians in cases of home break-ins. You don’t see a lot of Asians doing that.” For someone who claims he isn’t alt-right, he certainly finds plenty of common ground with the movement’s biggest stars.