On the latest episode of the alt-right podcast Fash the Nation, co-hosts Jazzhands McFeels and Marcus Halberstram invited on white supremacist blogger/author Paul Kersey. Kersey, whose pseudonym is a reference to Charles Bronson’s character in the Death Wish series, operates the blog Stuff Black People Don’t Like, where he advocates for racial separation.

On Fash the Nation, McFeels kicked the episode off by playing a clip from a 1995 speech by then-President Bill Clinton in which he outlined his plan to stop the problem of “illegal immigration.”

McFeels said the purpose of playing the clip was to show that anti-immigrant policies were in no way “radical” ideas — the upshot being one shouldn’t criticize Trump for his anti-immigrant policies which would have seemed normal decades ago. Halberstram called the shift in tone a “byproduct of our post-1965 immigration policy” because, in 1995, the Democrats were forced to pander to a far whiter population than today’s.

“Well there’s also an important point, if I can make an important point here” Kersey interrupted. “That speech was given on January 24th, 1995. That was, what, a couple months before, I mean I’m in my 30s and I remember April 19th, 1995 as a date that I think we all know quite well.”

April 19, 1995, of course, was the date that Timothy McVeigh — a disgruntled and racist Gulf War veteran — launched a massive terrorist attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

McVeigh infamously left a Ryder moving truck packed with explosives near the building, detonated it, and in a flash murdered some 168 people, including 19 children. McVeigh was enraged about the government’s approach to the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents, and had been inspired by The Turner Diaries — an obscene piece of Neo-Nazi fiction written by the late William Luther Pierce.

Kersey found this relevant because — in spite of the federal case against McVeigh, and McVeigh’s admission of what he had done — he insists the federal government was responsible.

“You’re talking about a different country before the government was able to pull off that attack and completely derail the militia movement and the patriotic immigration movement, because,” Kersey noted, “Peter Brimelow’s book Alien Nation also came out that year, and there was a lot of pushback against the insanity of the Immigration Act you were talking about.”

This seems like an awfully convoluted and morally reprehensible way to “derail” a group of fringe conspiracy theorists who spend time ranting in their bunkers about U.N. gun-grabbing schemes and secret water fluoridation plots.

And, the larger the conspiracy the more people would have to be involved, which means more people who would have to keep quiet for over twenty years. In short, Kersey’s theory doesn’t make logical sense.