On May 10, 2016, Matt Forney officially launched his newest podcast, This Alt-Right Life, on the website Right On. In his inaugural broadcast, titled “Cultural Marxist Takeover,” Forney interviewed noted YouTube ranter and white nationalist Davis Aurini. The pair discussed the usual topics of “narcissistic” leftists, “cultural Marxist” conspiracies, and Aurini’s laughably terrible documentary The Sarkeesian Effect Immersed in Subversion.

Aurini, who aligned himself with Gamergate for his own ulterior reasons, declared that the feminist-bashing movement was actually one small battle within a much larger culture war. He also expressed his opinion — free of any medical evidence, of course — that liberals are narcissists who suffer from a “very vicious, nasty, and cruel sort of mental illness,” and are the “same people” responsible for the European migrant crisis.

The pair also asserted that Karl Marx let his children starve to death, an assertion that appears to have no basis in fact. Two of his children died by suicide as adults, one died from cancer, one from gastric fever, and two by unknown causes.

Aurini: What’s happening with the video games — with Gamergate — this is just one small battle in a much larger war that’s been won on many other fronts. And it’s not just about ethics in games journalism. Like if you think it’s about ethics in games journalism, then you’re gonna lose the war because they are not gonna limit themselves to just fighting on that front.

Forney: Yeah, yeah, I mean it’s kind of disappointing ’cause I was involved with Gamergate from the very beginning. Well, loosely involved. I won’t claim I was anyone important. But I watched it, basically, unfold — and we all watched it unfold — I mean, Gamergate was in really many ways, the first major counter-offensive against the left we’ve seen in years — possibly decades.

Aurini: The first cultural fight, you know? We have not been fighting the culture war. Breitbart’s been trying to, but we really haven’t until this mass movement of Gamergate.

Forney: Yes, and Gamergate to its credit really woke up a lot of people who had been sort of, just, going along, not really aware of the cultural Marxist infiltration of popular culture. It happened in video games. But the really disappointing thing is that a lot of…some Gamergaters did move onto seeing the bigger picture but most didn’t. They stuck in that little, you know, that ghetto of “Um, ethics, um ethics in games journalism,” and watching how, say, for example, Kotaku In Action degenerated into just, you know, virtue signalling against the right.

Um, your movie is about um, no, there’s a broader context, a broader movement into the infiltration of video games and popular culture at large. This is a process that has been going on for decades, hundreds of years more or less. We use the term cultural Marxism. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s something that actually exists, and something that has been subverting our culture gradually, and uh…

Aurini: And one thing I pointed out in the movie, too, is that saying cultural Marxist or saying narcissist, like these are the same thing, okay? Like it’s…it is…and you know, there’s this…leftism is a mental illness. Well, well it is. It’s narcissism. You know? It’s a very vicious, nasty, and cruel sort of mental illness. And these people flock together so well. There’s no, there’s no secret group of controllers issuing them orders. But it’s like birds flocking through the sky. All of these narcissists just move together. And so the exact same people that were…that Gamergate was opposing, okay, these are the same people behind the migrant crisis. You know?

Forney: Yes.

Aurini: The exact same fuckin’ people.

Forney: Yeah that’s really one of the great things about the movie you that you point out. Like this is, you know, it’s very easy for idiots to sort of dismiss all this, “It’s a conspiracy theory! Tinfoil hat! Blah blah blah!” But it’s like, you point out that the sort of mindset necessary to sincerely believe in social justice and radical leftism and push it, is evidence of a deep psychological deficit. And in order to show this you go back to the roots of Marxism.

Karl Marx, you know, who — I’m saying this as a neutral fashion — is one of the most influential philosophers in Ameri…in, uh, world history, was himself a deeply disturbed man who lived in part off of large…uh…he actually, if I understand, let a number of his kids starve to death because he was too lazy to get a job, for example.

Aurini: Yeah, he was out getting drunk in Europe with, uh…on other peoples’ money. You know, he borrowed like ten, like — I don’t know how much it was in those dollars — but he borrowed ten grand from his buddy, spent it touring Europe getting drunk with his buddies, while his kids were starving in the slum back in Britain.

Forney: Yes, and this is the guy who wrote The Communist Manifesto, this is the guy who created a philosophy and economic system that has caused more suffering and more death than anything, any other system in world history.

Matt Forney proceeded to go on a tirade against his “Social Justice Warrior” enemies, claiming that the one mistake Gamergaters made was that they treated their foes as people “who could be reasoned with.” Evidently reasoning is what the supporters of Gamergate must have been going for with their insistence on harassing, threatening, smearing women online.

Leftists “want to disempower you” and “get your fired from your job,” Forney complained, adding that this explains the trend of “social justice witch hunts” against people who make racist, sexist, or homophobic comments. Or, as Forney put it, for “say[ing] something that is even remotely” politically incorrect. Aurini agreed, comparing liberals to Heath Ledger’s Joker from 2008’s The Dark Knight — a character who committed evil, violent acts just because he could.

“These people are just these little black pits, these event horizons of self-hatred, shame, envy, um, just the blackest of emotions,” Aurini stated. “And they…and you cannot reason with that. Okay, these people exist. Alright? They don’t do evil things for their own benefit, they do evil things for the sake of evil.”

Forney: Leftists are not, these are not people who can be reasoned with, you know? And one of the great flaws of Gamergate is that they did not…they viewed their enemies as who could be reasoned with, you know? Someone you could compromise with. And when it comes to radical Social Justice Warriors such as, you know, Jonathan McIntosh types, you can’t reason with them because there’s something psychologically defective in them, you know?

They’re advocating what they’re advocating. It’s not something like, this is not like some polite, you know, high school debate team organization. These people want to…they want to disempower you, they want to get you fired from your job — that’s why we’ve seen the, uh, in the past three, four years, the rise of these social justice witch hunts where if you say something that is even remotely un-PC you can be fired from your job and blacklisted from working, period, which in America and any Western country is basically a death sentence because if you can’t work you can’t support yourself.

And ultimately we see the…we see what’s happening over in Europe with hate speech laws. They ultimately want to put people in prison. And again this is a compulsion based on their psychological damage. I mean, we can make fun of, say, for example, like Trigglypuff, that fat, androgynous, disgusting woman who went nuts, shaking her ham-like arms at Milo Yiannopoulos’s speech at U of Massachusetts, I think. But these people are dangerous, you know? And when they get political power, they will do everything they can to shut us down and silence us.

Aurini: And I think one of the things that people don’t…the hard part is convincing people that these people exist, because we…like, if you’re a decent person, it is so hard to believe in an actual evil person. Like, we think like somebody that robs a bank, they’re doing it because they want the money, because money’s a good thing. Whereas the narcissist, these people…these people would rob a bank to burn the money. Okay, they are the Joker from The Dark Knight Rises or Returns or whichever film it was.

Forney: Yeah, it was The Dark Knight, yes.

Aurini: These people are just these little black pits, these event horizons of self-hatred, shame, envy, um, just the blackest of emotions. And they…and you cannot reason with that. Okay, these people exist. Alright? They don’t do evil things for their own benefit, they do evil things for the sake of evil.

Forney: Yeah.

Aurini: They are extremely…and this is why they’re so dangerous, is because these people will not stop coming after you. These people will do anything they can.They will spend their life savings trying to destroy your life.

Forney: Yeah it’s a bit like Winston Churchill, the way he described the Germans. You know, the Hun is either at your throat or at your knees. You either destroy these people, suppress them or they will suppress you, there’s no in between. And we’ve seen this with the way they’ve acted over the past for years. The way they’ve infiltrated the games industry and infiltrated other portions of popular culture and the government.

There’s simply no reasoning with them because most human beings are, you know, we tend to think that other people are being rational. You know, like you said, with the bank robbing example. You know, you rob a bank because you need the money. You rob a bank because you want money. You know, the idea of someone who just does evil things because they wanna hurt people without any sort of…it doesn’t even rise to the level of like a conscious, you know, uh, thought process. It’s just instinctual. You know, the term predator to describe these people — psychopath, narcissist — is absolutely perfect. It’s a lizard hindbrain urge for them.